Not in dispute over the events that led up to the House debate that ensued are the heated remarks by Stark, D-Calif., who was left in the committee room to hold down the fort while Democrats strategized on their game plan.

While no cameras recorded the event, a stenographer took down every word Stark uttered. Republican Rep. Kenny Hulshof recited them back on the House floor.

"'You little fruitcake, you little fruitcake, I said you are a fruitcake,'"Hulshof, R-Mo., read from the unofficial transcript.

Stark directed the word - considered by many to be a gay slur - at Republican Rep. Scott McInnis, who is married and by all accounts not gay.

Republican sources also claim that during the chaotic scene in the committee, Stark fired another gay slur in the direction of Chairman Thomas. The word is too vulgar to print in full, but the last half of it is "sucker."

"I trust that you would understand that if a Republican said that, there would be a public lynching," Foley said.

FATHER MALLOY

You are over there, Father Malloy,
Where holy ground is, and the cross marks every grave,
Not here with us on the hill -
Us of wavering faith, and clouded vision
And drifting hope, and unforgiven sins.
You were so human, Father Malloy,
Taking a friendly glass sometimes with us,
Siding with us who would rescue Spoon River
From the coldness and the dreariness of village morality.
You were like a traveller who brings a little box of sand
From the waste about the pyramids
And makes them real and Egypt real.
You were a part of and related to a great past,
And yet you were so close to many of us.
You believed in the joy of life.
You did not seem to be ashamed of the flesh.
You faced life as it is,
And as it changes.
Some of us almost came to you, Father Malloy,
Seeing how your church had divined the heart,
And provided for it,
Through Peter the Flame,
Peter the Rock.

As part of his research for a class he taught on early Christian theology, Bass said he began to believe that all of the characteristics of the original Christian Church, the church founded by Jesus Christ, were present in the modern Catholic Church and that there was an unbroken line of teaching and belief that was easily traceable through 20 centuries of history.

"You can see historically, even from the year 100, a continuity of faith and doctrine that has never changed," Bass said.

"It takes a white leader to stand up and explain to my people about why racism is wrong," Dean said in his speech at the recent NAACP conference. (Frontpage Magazine.com: Dean takes grovelling award from Lieberman)

The good news is that a marriage recovery appears to be on its way: Rates of divorce have dropped, illegitimacy is leveling off, marital fertility is on the rise, adult commitment to marital permanence is increasing, and the next generation's dislike of divorce is rising; the consensus that children do better when parents get and stay married is now broad, if shallow.

The bad news is that gay marriage will gut this marriage movement, and reverse these gains. Marriage will no longer be a carrier of the message that children need mothers and fathers. Instead the law will legitimate the principle of family diversity: that adults get to form the families they choose and children will resiliently adjust. Or not, but who cares? If the law embraces this message, government will become its carrier and promoter. School textbooks, teen-pregnancy programs, and abstinence education (to mention just a few venues) will all be forced to carry this new unisex marriage vision. Religious people and social conservatives (not to mention marriage advocates in general) unwilling to champion this message, will retreat from the public square. Will a society that is unwilling to abandon unilateral divorce legally enforce Catholic marriage contracts, as John O'Sullivan suggests? Dream on. A nascent and promising movement for social recovery will be strangled at birth.

"We are happy because this is an occupation," said Mansour Badri, a teen-ager who lives nearby. "The Americans lied to us when they said they would save us from Saddam. They just want to occupy our country." (Reuters: U.S. Soldier, New Mayor Killed in Iraq)

Dear fellow Catholics:

This is a call for solidarity among Catholics. President Bush nominated Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, a devout Catholic, for the US Court of Appeals. His confirmation in the Senate is being opposed mainly because he has answered the call of the Church to "faithful citizenship". We urgently need your help by calling your senators' offices right away. The timing is urgent. A vote is scheduled in the Judiciary committee on Thursday, July 10 and a full floor vote will follow closely behind on July 16.

Please forward this call for solidarity to your Catholic family, friends and neighbors.

During his confirmation hearing a couple weeks ago they asked Bill Pryor the expected stinging questions about his past criticism of Roe v Wade and his defense of the rights of the unborn. They really tried to make him squirm, but not Bill Pryor. "I stand by that comment," he told one senator. In case they didn't understand him, he clarified with another senator, "I believe that abortion is the taking of human life." The senators were stunned. Never had they heard such candor. They had run into Bill Pryor, a Catholic "faithful citizen".

The campaign to deny confirmation to this accomplished public servant with a stellar record of public service and competency in the law is now in full swing. After the hearing, opposing senators did something unheard of. They submitted to him over 250 complex legal questions requiring detailed, lengthy answers. That is harassment.

Personal phone calls to your two US Senators' offices are the only way to get Bill Pryor's nomination confirmed. Each call is critically important, because senators are not used to hearing from Catholic voters.

Please tell your senators' offices that you are a Catholic and you are asking for your senator to vote for his confirmation. Tell them Bill Pryor is an accomplished and honorable man that deserves to be seated on the Court of Appeals.

To find your senators and phone numbers for their Washington office, visit http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?OrderBy=state&Sort=ASC

If you wish to call your senators state offices, the number is listed in your local phone directory. Email members@yourcatholicvoice.org to let us know when you called your senators. Please list their names and any insights you may have gained from the call. We will not be able to acknowledge every email, but be assured your call will make a big difference in this process.

Bill Pryor is being opposed because his political life is led by a conscience informed by his Catholic faith. To deny him a seat on the appeals court would be a chilling precedent for this nation whose founding was informed by Judeo-Christian principles such as the understanding that rights, like the right to life, were an endowment from our Creator.

As Pope John Paul II has told us in an address to ambassadors from around the globe, "disqualifying the informed Christian conscience from political life would open the road to moral anarchy...The oppression of the weak by the strong would be the obvious consequence." Oops - isn't that what abortion, euthanasia and embryonic research are all about?

Join Your Catholic Voice at www.yourcatholicvoice.org. Receive information on the teaching of the John Paul II and information for coordinated Catholic social and political action related to our Four Pillars of Life, Family, Freedom and Solidarity.


We are Sincerely Yours in Christ.....

Ray Flynn
President
Your Catholic Voice

It would be a fitting penance for a church that too often prefers to pretend that nothing ever happened.

Start with the leader of Arizona Catholics, Bishop Thomas O'Brien, of Phoenix, whose car struck and killed a pedestrian. O'Brien didn't stop, he later said, because he thought he had hit a dog or large rock.

O'Brien's explanation was lame from the get-go: before police tracked him down, the bishop had two days to examine the windshield, half of which was splintered and caved in, which was certainly more damage than an errant rock or dog could've inflicted. Even if a dog had caused such damage, wouldn't a compassionate prelate of the Catholic Church stop for a poor animal he might've injured or killed?

The Vatican forced O'Brien, who faces a criminal trial and perhaps prison time, to resign. Worse for O'Brien, he has the reputation of covering up sex crimes by predator priests and stonewalling law enforcement investigators. What a jury would swallow his dog-or-rock excuse for hit-and-run?

Rep. Sara Feigenholtz, D-Chicago, a sponsor of the bill, said Illinois becomes the 21st state to mandate such coverage.

"Women are forced to make very, very tough decisions because of all of the out-of-pocket expenses that they have to incur to cover contraception," she said. "Today ... we changed things."

Let us begin with Ulysses, James Joyce's tale of Leopold Bloom's big day. In 1998, eighty-one million copies of Ulysses were sold - not worldwide, but in the United States alone. ince there are roughly 290 million people in America, the math works out to one copy of Ulysses for every three and a half Americans. I think even Mr. Franzen would have to admit that, when it comes to serious literature, "Ulysses pretty much wrote the book." And in the vernacular of sales, these are mighty tall tickets.

LaHaye, an evangelical minister who lives in Palm Springs, Calif., told the Chicago Tribune that "we want to win people to Christ in any way we can, and we would think the bishops would be for that endeavor because there are millions of people without a church."

Gibson said the film "was a strange mixture of the most difficult thing I've ever done, along with this incredible ease. Everyone who worked on this movie was changed. There were agnostics and Muslims on set converting to Christianity."

"I very much feel that marriage is a sacrament, and that sacrament should extend and can extend to that legal entity of a union between, what is traditionally in our Western values has been defined, as between a man and a woman," said Frist, of Tennessee. "So I would support the amendment."

Your obvious hatred of Truth as well as the Lord who wrote it leads me to do that which His Word declares I must do at this time...

Titus 3:10, "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;"

Twice I shared Scriptures with you, and TWICE you denied them as fact. Therefore, you leave me no alternative but to REJECT you as the heathen you are.

PLUS...

Your hate filled emails can be defined as harassment. Therefore, I will not only keep them on file. I will also alert your ISP, and share these emails, along with the headers if you email me again. First and Final warning... Do NOT email me again! I do not have time to play your evil games. I have seen your type before. I have been exposing Babylon a little over 18 years now. You obviously do NOT want to discuss Truth, you only seek to twist it to make your sin acceptable, and at the same time waste my time so as to prevent me from sharing Truth with many of your church members so as to bring them out. NOT gunna work Josh. Your church has already lost. Prophecy confirms it.

Ezekiel 33:11, "Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?"

I will pray for you that you allow the Lord to open your eyes and you come out of the Synagogue of Satan before it kills you.

6-29-03

PS... I am not kidding. I have been getting attacked by numerous Catholics since going online. I do in fact turn the other cheek. However, I also report them so they do not attack anyone else. Think I'm lying? Try me!

PSS... I also have tracking software. Your present emails have afforded me your ISP tags. If you try to disguise a virus attack from a different email server, my software will catch the similarity in the nodes. It will then become a felony.

have a good day. :)

Your response shows a couple of things:

1) You have an axe to grind against the Church. That's fine. A lot of people have axes to grind. Just don't do it at the expense of your intellectual honesty.

2) You did not acknowledge that the only reason you have a Bible in the first place is because Monks copied these texts and handed them down from century to century. The Catholic bible contains extra books that the Protestant reformers deleted. But the cannon was set and never changed until the reformation. This is a fact any amature scholar can verify. And the fact still remains: It is because of the Catholic Church that your bible has any authority at all.

How do you know when the spirit speaks through you, Nicholas? How do you know that you have not been led astray by the devil? (I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm just throwing it out as a possibility) How do you know that your interpretations of the Bible are not skewed by your own personal interpretation? You know none of these things. There are literally thousands of Protestant sects (Protestant meaning anyone who stands in direct challenge against the Mother Church) who believe they are being guided by the spirit when they interpret Revelation to mean any number of things, many of which disagree with your conclusions

If the bible speaks for itself, as you have proclaimed, how come so many people interpret things so many different ways? Are we all wrong? The fact of the matter is that words never define themselves. Every professor from Harvard to Berkeley will agree with me there (as will every Church Father).

The Apocrypha are books that were not acknowledged as being scriptural, by the Church Fathers who created the Bible. In my Bible, i.e., the original Bible, there are plenty of reasons to support PRAYERS FOR THE DEAD as you call them. Want examples? Ok:

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/purgatory.html (You'll also find plenty other scriptural evidence of Catholic doctorine to keep you occupied, as you debunk the Mother Church's translation of scripture with your own, which is apparently divinely given above every other church out there).

I would also remind you that Jesus was a Jew, and Jews have had the "Kaddish" for a long, long time. What is the Kaddish? It means "prayer for the dead." And Jesus lived up to the law. He never spoke out against the practices of the Jews (hence why they had no justification for killing him!), so I imagine Jesus once chanted the Kaddish in a temple. It is likely, you know.

3) You claim that I don't understand John 6, and that my Church doesn't either. Imagine yourself, Nicholas, walking amongst Jesus. You believe him to be a great prophet, so you hang with him and listen to what he has to say. So he mentions that his flesh is bread, and that only those who eat of this flesh and drink of his blood may see the Kingdom of Heaven. John tells us:

At this the Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can he give us his flesh to eat?" Thereupon Jesus said to them:

"Let me solemnly assure you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. He who feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has life eternal and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood real drink. The man who feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the Father who has life sent me and I have life because of the Father, so the man who feeds on me will have life because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your anscestors who ate and died nonetheless, the man who feeds on this bread shall live forever."

Now, I imagine that you think this is a metaphor. That the bread is really Jesus's life, and that when Jesus says this, he is only being figurative. The disciples that doubted Jesus thought the same thing. John continues:

After hearing his words, many of his disciples remarked, "This sort of talk is hard to endure! How can anyone take it seriously?"

And here we have Jesus speaking directly to YOU, Nicholas, as he says:

Jesus was fully aware that his disciples were murmuring in protest at what he had said. "Does it shake your faith?" he asked them. "What, then, if you were to see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before...? If it is the spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words I spoke to you are spirit and life. Yet among you there are some who do not believe. (Jesus knew from the start, of course, the ones who refused to believe, and the one who would hand him over.) He went on to say, "This is why I have told you that no one is come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." (THROUGH THE EUCHARIST!)

Now, Nicholas, here is the kicker.

From this tome on, many of his disciples broke away and would not remain in his company any longer. Jesus then said to the Twelve, "Do you want to leave me too?" Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe; we are convinced that you are God's holy one."

Nicholas, I am a graduate student in English Literature. I am yet to see someone get upset and worried over a metaphor. Nobody becomes that angered over figurative language, so that he or she will stop following someone considered to be a prophet. And if it WAS a metaphor, wouldn't Jesus have had an OBLIGATION to explain the parable? Yet it wasn't a parable. It wasn't a lesson. It is a literal truth. Some disciples stopped following Jesus because they could not grasp the mystery of the Eucharist. It probably sounded too much like cannabalism to them. It probably sounded impossible to others. Does it shake your faith, Nicholas? Jesus turns his loving gaze at us all when he asks those words.

If you cannot accept this, from the bible you claim to love so much, then there is no use in discussing anything with you. If you are unable to grasp this very simple scenario, then it shows that you will let your visceral hatred for the Church cloud your intellectual honesty. And I am sorry about that.

4) The fact that you stand judge over me because I do not believe your brand of Christianity is exactly what turns people off towards Christianity in the first place. My Church does not condemn anyone. She does not stand as judge. I am not saying that because you hate the Catholic Church, you are destined for hell. I believe that because God stands as judge, I cannot, to quote you, say that "you will die there...Eternally."

5) Do you believe in forgiveness, Nicholas? The Church has done bad things in the past. The current sex-abuse scandal is no exception. The Church is run by men, Nicholas, and, as a result of original sin, men are sinful. The Pope was asking for forgiveness for wrongs committed, Nicholas, and I think that since our God is ever-loving and forgives his children, he will forgive those who have sinned against him. If you do not believe that anyone asking for forgiveness cannot be granted it, then you are sadly mistaken and are out of line with Christian theology in entirety.

6) I do not worship Mary as a God. Nor does the Church. But since you taught all of those classes for years, you have to know all of this on your own. She prays for us constantly. She is our intercessor, the one Jesus does not turn away. She is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a God. But she sits close to God and prays for us. Even for you, Nicholas.

7) As far as trusting man over scripture, I do no such thing. I quite simply hold true to Paul's letters.

"I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2)

So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).

"Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us" (2 Thess. 3:6).

"[W]hat you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2).

As Paul points out, we must hold to our TRADITIONS, both practiced and recorded. Sorry, Nicholas, but the Bible isn't the only guide to eternal salvation. Who says so? The Bible! Our TRADITIONS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS OUR SCRIPTURE!

I don't imagine you'll be honest enough with me to tell me the real reason you've broken communion with the Church. People don't tend to leave their religion and become so militant. I personally tried hard to dislike the Church myself. I came in to full communion of my own accord a while ago, precisely because I was tired of dilluding myself about what the Church stands for, and what it has stood for, since the time of Christ.

Your prayers are heard, as are mine.

Peace,
-Josh

>>I apologize for not showing more restraint. It doesn't show the vain of my religion;

Are you now saying JESUS LIED? Wow... that's sad! You act as if I wrote those words, yet it is the Word of God. It does exactly as it said it does. And your further actions regarding His Word proves it even more. Your religion is so vain in fact that you can't even see you just called the Word of God a LIE!

I will pray for you.

>>all it exposes is that I am indeed human, and as a result, I am capable of showing digust and frustration with people who fail to see the silliness of their ways.

More insults? You apologize for insulting me... call Christ a liar... and then insult me again.

And you STILL can't see how vain that is?

>>Let's think about the Bible for a moment. Let's examine this book that you accept (and rightfully so) as divine scripture. Where did the bible come from, friend? Was it found on a mountain in King James form in the middle of the 16th century? The answer is quite simply, no. The hard, cold fact is this: The book that you call the Bible is comprised of scriptures approved by the Catholic Church and determined to be Holy purely upon their authority.

Whooops! That's a lie too. What your church did was REMOVE the Bibles from the people in the Council of Valencia os 1229ad and then claimed to have placed them in order. Problem is.. when you look at the KJV Bible and the Catholic Bible they are NOT the same. Yoor Bible adds numerous lies into it and calls it the Apocrypha. PLUS, the Dead Sea Scrolls were just discovered a few years ago. And the ONLY Bible that matches those scrolls IS THE KJV.

>>Martin Luther and other reformers removed some books from Protestant versions of the Bible (frankly because they proved troublesome for their theology

The Apocrypha preaches PRAYERS TO THE DEAD among other demonic doctrines... yes, that does cause troubles for TRUTH.

>>[i.e. if you can't do anything with it in an argument, just remove it and pretend like it doesn't exist]), but he never added anything to what was already there. Your sacred text is therefore sacred only upon the authority of the Church Fathers, i.e., the Catholics, who have always held Mary in high-esteem (as did the early Lutherans), and who have always warned us against schisms against the True Faith.

Mary is a woman forever blessed. She is NOT a god as your church teaches.

>>That being said, I agree with you. There is only one way to translate scripture. And the Catholic Church -- being the true apostolate Church, founded by Christ and handed on to his apostles after the Ascension -- holds the right to that authority. They are, after all, the ones who came up with the structure of the Bible in the first place.

Christ never started the Roman Church. He would never start a church that would KILL 150 million of His followrrs. Simon the Sorceror did. High Priests in the Pagan order were called "Pater's" or "Peter's" and that is why he was called "Simon Peter." He was NOT the Simon Peter the Apostles and the DOCUMENTED PROOF has just been unvailed. I have a copy here... http://www.remnantofgod.org/pope1.htm

>>Jacques Derrida, a French philosopher whose concept of "deconstruction" has become a main-stay in both philosophy and literary criticism, argues that when the word "tree" is spoken, we will come up with different interpretations. I will think of something totally different from you. This is because words aren't fixed; the word "car" brings up an image to you, and that image is completely different to the guy next store. We, in essence, interpret words differently, and as a result, there is no true "meaning" to anything. Therefore, if we believe that scripture is indeed Holy, we must have a voice of authority capable of showing us exactly what the meaning of scripture really is.

There you go showing faith in MAN again. My Bible says...

2 Peter 1:20, "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

I can NOT give my "private opinion" of what a "tree" means in prophecy. In fact, did you know that there are 404 verses in Revelation? And 278 of them can be found almost word for word in all the other books of the Bible. In other words, THE BIBLE DEFINES ITSELF PERFECTLY! Don't let anyone give you their "opinion" or "interpretation." Let the Word define the Word!

By the way, a TREE = people / character trait in prophecy. That is the ONLY definition the BIBLE gives for it.

Psalms 1:3, "And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper."

Jeremiah 17:7-8, "Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit."

That's why the "FIG TREE" withered up when Christ cursed it. It represented the unbeliving ISRAEL nation. For Fig tree = Israel in prophecy.

>>This is why, if there is indeed only one true meaning to scripture, one body must ultimately hold the power to interpret and to teach the true meaning.

WHAT?! The WORD defines the WORD, not MAN! Wow... a wonderful blindess is upon you my friend. The LORD wrote the Word, therefore HE defines it. NOT man! Man is useless and fallible!

>>This power fell upon the early Catholic Church, through the apostles, through the council of Nicene.

PROVE IT

>>And doctorine has never changed.

Whooops! I have a LIST of doctrines that have CHANGED in the RCC. Care to see it?

>>We've always acknowledged the lord's presence in the Eucharist.

The Eucharist is a demon. Your church doe snot understand John chapter 6. And here is the PROOF... http://www.remnantofgod.org/transubstantiation.htm

>>We've always acknowledged one baptism for the forigiveness of sins.

Infant "sprinkling" is NOT baptism. PLUS, an infant can NOT ask forgiveness, nor can an infant repent.

>>We've always acknowledged one holy, Catholic and apolostic Church. And we've always denounced schisms that would jeopardize the Lord's plan for us on this earth.

Sure you denouce schisms that expose the Antichrist in Rome. I woul dtoo if I was a Catholic. In fact, I did just that for 29 years! I was a very devout Catholic. I was a Eucharistic minister, I taught CCD, I went to mass each morning, and I even said the Rosary every day! But then I did soemthing most Catholics fear to do.

I opened a Bible and heard Jesus Christ calling me OUT of Babylon.

>>Yet you, in an obviously Protestant position, suggest that you hold the power of interpretation outside of the Church.

I never said that. You ASSUMED that. I said THE BIBLE DEFINES ITSELF! I never interpret. You just got caught lying red handed. In fact, I always make it a point to let everyone know I do NOT interpret Scriptures so that I can expose those that LIE and say I do.

>>You have no claim to this belief -- no claim to apostolic succession, no claim to being in the church Christ founded --

I have the only claim. Jesus is my Lord. The church... or better yet... the Pope is your Lord.

>>yet you assert this power anyway, despite all of the warnings of the Church Fathers against this kind of silly schism.

Silly? More insults? Hmmm and you say it's NOT vain!?

>>This is precisely why there is no cohesion in the Protestant formation.

The Protestants of today are CATHOLICS> You have come across a REAL Protestant when you met me. I do NOT do as these evil churches do. Your church invented Xmas... Easter... Steeples... Wedding rings... Sunday keeping... etc. And ALL the Protestants do the same. EXCEPT the Remnant of God!

>>Every person who reads things differently has different ideas.

I agree... because they do NOT allow the Holy Spirit to speak. THEY speak instead, so of course, you will get 3000 denominations. Just like prophecy said. The WHore of BAbylon is the MOTHER OF HARLOTS! MANY DAUGHTERS COME FROM HER. And dauthers = churches in prophecy! The reformation was PROPHECIED.

>>And as a result, we have two new Protestant denominations cropping up each week. Everybody thinks they hold the key to the text. So who do I believe? A fundamentalist such as you, who goes on and on with your interpretation of Revelation, against the Mother Church? Or a Methodist who takes a more civil, streamlined approach?

I can back my faith with His Word. You can't, nor can your friends. In fact.. two emails form you and STILL you failt to show proof. Wow... you are really nailing your coffin here my friend.

>>I think I'd rather just go with common sense, and stick to the Church that accepted it as a piece of holy scripture in the first place. Silly me.

First wise thing youv'e said all day. If you stay in this church, then you will be as you described yourself.

>>Go ahead and post this anywhere you'd like. I doubt that you will, though. And if you'd like any more direct refutes to your hatemongering on that site of yours, let me know.

You STILL haven't proved a single thing. PLUS.. I see you deleted my challenge to you. It's obvious.. you are not a Christan... only one who HATES Christians. So... I'll ask again...

I'll give you a week... If in that time you do not email me back WITH PROOF, I will post this email online at the site as well as thousands of Newsgroups so as to let everyone know... Catholics lie.

I see you will be 100% unable.

>>I'll pray for you.
-Josh

Don't bother. Your prayers are not heard. Here's proof...

Isaiah 1:15, "And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood."

Your Pope admitted the RCC killed 150 MILLION people on March 12, 2000 in his "Mea Culpa" and I have the proof here... http://www.remnantofgod.org/nl000327.htm

You are guilty of murder by proxy, and therefore your hands are full of blood. And unless you COME OUT of that church... you will die there. Eternally.

...Nicholas

I apologize for not showing more restraint. It doesn't show the vain of my religion; all it exposes is that I am indeed human, and as a result, I am capable of showing digust and frustration with people who fail to see the silliness of their ways.

Let's think about the Bible for a moment. Let's examine this book that you accept (and rightfully so) as divine scripture. Where did the bible come from, friend? Was it found on a mountain in King James form in the middle of the 16th century? The answer is quite simply, no. The hard, cold fact is this: The book that you call the Bible is comprised of scriptures approved by the Catholic Church and determined to be Holy purely upon their authority. Martin Luther and other reformers removed some books from Protestant versions of the Bible (frankly because they proved troublesome for their theology [i.e. if you can't do anything with it in an argument, just remove it and pretend like it doesn't exist]), but he never added anything to what was already there. Your sacred text is therefore sacred only upon the authority of the Church Fathers, i.e., the Catholics, who have always held Mary in high-esteem (as did the early Lutherans), and who have always warned us against schisms against the True Faith.

That being said, I agree with you. There is only one way to translate scripture. And the Catholic Church -- being the true apostolate Church, founded by Christ and handed on to his apostles after the Ascension -- holds the right to that authority. They are, after all, the ones who came up with the structure of the Bible in the first place.

Jacques Derrida, a French philosopher whose concept of "deconstruction" has become a main-stay in both philosophy and literary criticism, argues that when the word "tree" is spoken, we will come up with different interpretations. I will think of something totally different from you. This is because words aren't fixed; the word "car" brings up an image to you, and that image is completely different to the guy next store. We, in essence, interpret words differently, and as a result, there is no true "meaning" to anything. Therefore, if we believe that scripture is indeed Holy, we must have a voice of authority capable of showing us exactly what the meaning of scripture really is.

This is why, if there is indeed only one true meaning to scripture, one body must ultimately hold the power to interpret and to teach the true meaning. This power fell upon the early Catholic Church, through the apostles, through the council of Nicene. And doctorine has never changed. We've always acknowledged the lord's presence in the Eucharist. We've always acknowledged one baptism for the forigiveness of sins. We've always acknowledged one holy, Catholic and apolostic Church. And we've always denounced schisms that would jeopardize the Lord's plan for us on this earth.

Yet you, in an obviously Protestant position, suggest that you hold the power of interpretation outside of the Church. You have no claim to this belief -- no claim to apostolic succession, no claim to being in the church Christ founded -- yet you assert this power anyway, despite all of the warnings of the Church Fathers against this kind of silly schism.

This is precisely why there is no cohesion in the Protestant formatin. Every person who reads things differently has different ideas. And as a result, we have two new Protestant denominations cropping up each week. Everybody thinks they hold the key to the text. So who do I believe? A fundamentalist such as you, who goes on and on with your interpretation of Revelation, against the Mother Church? Or a Methodist who takes a more civil, streamlined approach?

I think I'd rather just go with common sense, and stick to the Church that accepted it as a piece of holy scripture in the first place.

Silly me.

Go ahead and post this anywhere you'd like. I doubt that you will, though. And if you'd like any more direct refutes to your hatemongering on that site of yours, let me know.

I'll pray for you.
-Josh

>>You guys are idiots of the highest order!

Did Jesus ask you to say that? No, He would never say that, for it is written... James 1:26, "If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain."

Your unbridled tongue exposes your vain religion. :(

>>It's fascinating. You use scripture that can be interpreted a thousand different ways to reach anti-Catholic conclusions! Like that's never been done before!

Scripture can NOT be "interpreted" outside of only ONE way. There is only ONE God, therefore only ONE understanding of the Word. If in fact I have made a mistake sharing Scriptures, please feel free to use a Bible to prove me wrong. Why use a Bible?

Isaiah 28:10, "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

Isaiah 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."


>>Gee, I wish I had your power of interpretation!

I never "interpret." I allow the Bible to define the Bible. That's how Jesus did it. YOU are the one "interpreting." PLUS.. I have yet to see a SINGLE VERSE in this email. One would think if you were correct in your assumptions, you would be able to prove it.

>>And then the fact that you don't post your email address for all to view, is laughable.

Then how did you get it? Did you lie? Yes... for this email addy you are using is in fact posted on MANY pages. I haven't had time to delete them all. The reason I use a "form" on my "contact us" page is because of your fellow Catholics that send viruses to me via email. Of course they never get through. I also have quite a few DEATH THREATS from your church members as well.

>>I could spend half a week refuting all of the other stuff on your horrible website that is based purely upon misinformation or lies,

Prove it. I will even post your proof ON THE SITE. Just pick one page and go for it. If you cannot do it, then you admit I am right and you are wrong, and you prefer sin over Truth.

Up for the challenge?

>>but I trust that sooner or later you'll seek out the truth on your own or you'll remain intellectually dishonest with yourself. Either way, it's your soul.

Cop out! In fact, that's all I ever seem to get from Catholics that hate Scripture. They "say" they can refute me, yet... they never do.

If you really could do as you say, you would. But you don't even attempt to do so here. All you are doing here is lying, insulting, and sharing hatred.

>>If the only way you can justify your paper-thin beliefs is by attacking mine with "prophesy" that could mean three dozen combinations of things, then go ahead. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Paper thin? Then it should be a snap for you to refute it.

Tell ya what.. I'll give you a week... If in that time you do not email me back WITH PROOF, I will post this email online at the site as well as thousands of Newsgroups so as to let everyone know... Catholics lie.

The ball is in YOUR court!


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Truth is truth.
...Nicholas

You guys are idiots of the highest order! It's fascinating. You use scripture that can be interpreted a thousand different ways to reach anti-Catholic conclusions! Like that's never been done before!

Gee, I wish I had your power of interpretation! And then the fact that you don't post your email address for all to view, is laughable.

I could spend half a week refuting all of the other stuff on your horrible website that is based purely upon misinformation or lies, but I trust that sooner or later you'll seek out the truth on your own or you'll remain intellectually dishonest with yourself. Either way, it's your soul.

If the only way you can justify your paper-thin beliefs is by attacking mine with "prophesy" that could mean three dozen combinations of things, then go ahead. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

-Josh

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